SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:16 Tue May 1
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No. I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting that private sector employers should pay a living wage or go bust. Why is this so difficult to understand? If all the crap employers who have government contracts went bust because the government wouldn't pay a proper rate for the job, then they will go bust and the government would have to employ people directly. On a living wage as I specified.
You even seem to agree with me that this subsidy is unnecessary.
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Darlo Debs
12:07 Tue May 1
Re: Windrush.
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A lot of the jobs ...in fact most i have mentioned are orivate sector jobs which are contracted by the public sector and arent paying crap wages because they are struggling businesses but because they can.
Or are you suggesting that carers cleaners and childcare workers arent necessary?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:44 Mon Apr 30
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The ones that are private sector do not deserve to exist. If a company cannot make money without being subsidiesed by the state, it should go to the wall. The state should pay a living wage and no in work benefits.
It's not really difficult, is it Debs?
Well, obviously it is for you.
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Darlo Debs
11:02 Mon Apr 30
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What type of jobs are you referring to there then Serf?
Carers? Cleaners? Childcare workers? Caterers?
All of these are low paid and hardly jobs that dont deserve to exist.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:56 Mon Apr 30
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Darlo Debs 10:08 Mon Apr 30
'The working poor are in far more receipt of in work benefits than are these "lazy dole scroungers' you seem.to believe exist in huge numbers.'
True. And that's a disgrace of another sort. If a job isn't worth a living wage it doesn't deserve to exist, let alone be subsidised by the state.
Of course, you seem to be lumping people with too many children into your 'honest poor' category. I very much resent paying for their parents housing benefit and sundry hand-outs.
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Darlo Debs
10:42 Mon Apr 30
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or those getting away with paying vast amounts tax
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zebthecat
10:37 Mon Apr 30
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If you want to vilify the group who receive the most benefits from the government at least get it right.
It is pensioners by a massive margin.
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Darlo Debs
10:26 Mon Apr 30
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*government recoups
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Darlo Debs
10:08 Mon Apr 30
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Twoleftfeet what a load of tosh.
The working poor are in far more receipt of in work benefits than are these "lazy dole scroungers' you seem.to believe exist in huge numbers.
....and if you do a bit of basic research the amount of money given in dole to non working recipients is a very small amount especially offset by the amount it recoups in unclaimed benefits.
If you take pensions out of the mix, its housing benefit that's the biggest burden, and there are things that can be done to reduce this. One figure i read stated that in london and the southeast a person can pay up to 75% of their income on average to keep a roof over their head. A rent cap (as they have in other European countries) could help ease that burden.massively.
As can being tougher on landlords keeping properties empty to help keep rents high.
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The Kronic
9:46 Mon Apr 30
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If Labour got in I could even envisage a Muslim as the next Home Secretary. Tick tock....
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ray winstone
9:40 Mon Apr 30
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twoleftfeet, did you c&p that from The Sun’s editorial?
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twoleftfeet
9:16 Mon Apr 30
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Don’t work and claim benefits - vote Labour.
Ethnic minority - vote Labour
Work hard pay your taxes - vote Tory
Rich - will get richer whoever is in power
Labour are NOT the party of the working class because it’s the working class that have to pay for all of their shit ideas.
Corbyn, Abbott and Lammy are the 3 people I loathe most in this world.
They even come above BGS!
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BRANDED
8:41 Mon Apr 30
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They might
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Darlo Debs
8:31 Mon Apr 30
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some might say
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BRANDED
8:28 Mon Apr 30
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Western poor are seemingly revolting.
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Darlo Debs
8:12 Mon Apr 30
Re: Windrush.
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is the world shifti g away from.globalisation and neo-liberalism?
i am not defending either of these but cant see where the evidence is for that.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
8:07 Mon Apr 30
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The Kronic 7:09 Mon Apr 30
'if there wan't antisemitism you'd choose something else to bash him with'
Foreign policy > Hitler > Godwin
That is all
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The Kronic
8:07 Mon Apr 30
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Therefore isnt it better to have a leader that can unite the party but still appeal to a wider electorate?
_________
If you can think of the next John Smith then I'm all ears. I personally can't. Maybe Clive Lewis in a few years.
The trouble with so many of the 'moderates' within the PLP is they can't seem to accept the world's changed post Brexit. They're in constant denial and choose to blame everyone but themselves as to why the electorate are shifting away from globalisation, neoliberalism and the centre ground itself.
Some actual self reflection wouldn't go amiss.
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Darlo Debs
7:52 Mon Apr 30
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which means most of thes that did will be in his shadow cabinet...
Leaving that aside for a minute though consider this. Is Corbyn promising structural financial change and an end to the capitalist economy? No he isnt. He can only what any labour politician can do and tinker around at the edges.
Therefore isnt it better to have a leader that can unite the party but still appeal to a wider electorate? Or we could be in this situation until the party finally splits.
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The Kronic
7:43 Mon Apr 30
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Yeah from his own MPs inside the toxic PLP. Imagine what could have happened at the last GE if he had a united party behind him?
And what's bemusing is you use this thread of all threads to have a pop at him. I know which MP stood up in the Commons to warn about the potential consequences of the Tory Immigration Bill. It was Jeremy Corbyn. Only 5 other Labour party MPs joined him in voting against it. That's your PLP right there.
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Darlo Debs
7:38 Mon Apr 30
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he isnt really though is he through his own failings as a leader he is constantly battling against accusations of weak leadership.
Doesnt matter what he slashed off her lead does it? He didnt win, we are no better off.
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